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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Then team A would not have followed the special substitutionprocedure provided for these cases, and would not have subbed in players 1-49 & 80-99, so no foul.

So A can't use the exception unless B sends someone deep. Do you want A to just yell out and ask B if they are sending someone deep? First off B isn't going to line up in a punt return formation until A lines up in a punt return formation (or has the punt team coming on the field). How would it be possible for A to substitute after B is set?

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

It would be an arbitrary distance. I suggest 25 yards because there's a defense that plays a 20 yard deep safety.

So it's 4th & 15. A sees that B is sending someone deep so they remove the 5 players 50-79. Then before the snap the deep B player moves up to 24 yards deep. How can what B does dictate if A fouls?

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

BTW, I saw one HS game on TV in the NYC area where one team ran a good deal of its offense from a long punt formation, either shifting into it or coming out in it straight from the huddle. Sometimes they even punted from it, and not always on 4th down.

So of all the hundreds of thousands of football games everyone on this board has seen we have 1 example of a team that uses a SKF for their normal offense. I don't see how that is relevant.

Also if a team want to line up in a punt formation all the time it is fine, but the numbering exception will not be in effect.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

So, you want to allow the numbering exception as long as one player is kneeling in position to take the snap? I'm sure A-11 would still work just fine. They have 2 players 7+ yards deep in position to take the snap.

I didn't say that. The A-11 has the players spread across the field. No team is dumb enough to attempt a place kick field goal from that formation, blockers are needed to prevent B from blocking the kick. It is obvious when a team is setting up for a field goal.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

That just means I've seen a lot more football than you.

As far as I know teams who punt not on 4th down like it to be a surprise and therefore line up in a normal offensive formation therefore the numbering exception has nothing to do with this.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I don't see how it would affect any of this if they did.

Yes, drop kicks matter. A isn't going to punt on 1st down on B's 10 yard line. They could say that the QB was going to drop kick and therefore they were not in a field goal formation.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

If they line up at least one end numbered 50-79, the long snapper can have an eligible number even without the exception.

Do you understand the reason there is a numbering exception? It is so that teams do not have to do stuff like that.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

So they sacrifice an eligible receiver; that doesn't seem to be a problem for you guys who just know that they're not going to pass.

This has nothing to do with a knowing a team won't pass. You saying that just proves you really don't understand this at all. The numbering exception is used for kicking situations. It has nothing to do with saying a team must kick.

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

And as far as kick coverage goes when the defense is rushing everybody, even the slow players will beat the defense peeling back if they don't block the kick. As soon as you lose your block, you release. They're still running one way while you're running the other.

That just means I've seen a lot more football than you.

Many times a team will kick the ball and try to get it to stop near B's goal line. Having fast players on the field means they are better able to run down there and stop the ball before it bounces into the end zone.

To sum this up:

1. The current NCAA wording works perfectly. You should be smart enough to know it is a kicking situation.

2. You're idea about allowing the numbering exception only if B sends a guy deep is extremely stupid due to the many flaws in it.