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Originally Posted by hawkishowl20
ok. so do they say this isn't holding because he didn't gain advantage and things like that?
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Yes, that is one thing. Some other examaples are
- it is not at the point of attack, although they don't make that mistake often
- the defender did a rip technique, so he put himself in that position
- it is a double team, so no hold unless they take him to the ground
- the hold occurred the same time as a sack was occurring