[Jimmie24]

Originally Posted by youngump

Again, not my game, but it happens all of the time whether the rule book supports it or not. Whistle, mic comes on, dead ball, delay of game. Whistle, mic, Dead ball, fault start.

I think the analogy I'm making is this: Suppose in a basketball game they made backcourt a technical foul instead of a violation. A player catches the ball out of bounds in the backcourt and then steps in. Because this is so hard to follow in realtime (I know; but bear with me), he doesn't realize that the player is out of bounds until after he whistles the backcourt violation. But he's sure he didn't get there legally.

Or put another way in this scenario the only way the player can commit violation two is by getting away with violation one. I guess that's not so weird since he got away with something. But that's what's been bothering me.

You answered it already, those are dead ball fouls. A dead ball foul we do not allow the ball to become live.