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Originally Posted by FTVMartin
This conversation came up after tonight's game.
4and 5 A runs the hook and ladder. The pass is 15 yards down field. The latteral is then forward.
We have a foul for an illegal forward pass. 5 yards from the spot of the foul would still give A a first down but where does the loss of down penalty come into play? Since this was 4th down, is it still a first down for A?
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Loss of down means the right to repeat a down. If it was 3rd down and the line to gain was not achieved it would be 4th down because the right to replay 3rd down would be lost.
If the team is to be achieves the line to gain after enforcement of the penalty they have earned a first down. All series start with 1st down.