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Originally Posted by JJ
From my years of umping I have discovered that for all intents and purposes, at the time of a throw from an outfielder on a base hit, it is generally accepted (meaning, it's generally not argued) that a batter-runner has reached first base by the time the ball gets to an outfielder, the outfield picks the ball up, and the outfielder throws the ball. Yes, it's a great idea to watch when those events occur, but depending on the number of runners and the number of umpires, realistically it sometimes just isn't possible. Fukodome's throw with one runner, one batter-runner, and FOUR umpires proved the point.
JJ
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I saw the play in question (there was no way to tell where the BR was at TOT.) I think it's safe to say Lee was not at or beyond first base at the TOT. Just because they awarded him third doesn't mean they got it right.
In terms of your assumption that BR is at first at the TOT is erroneous. Think about it in a two man system when you're in the A how many time have you seen a line shot directly at the right fielder get there so fast that you think about a possibly play at first. Even on a big field on rare occaissions this play is attempted. If the right fielder does make the play and throws the ball in the dugout are you going to award BR third? I don't think so.