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Originally Posted by just another ref
1. My take is that ten is long enough. If I have a good count going, which I confess that I may not have every single time on this play, I think I would make the call if I ever reached ten, which has never happened in 22 years. If you're gonna give him eleven, why not 12? Why not 13? I say 10 is plenty. 2. One of the first things I learned many years ago is that if you keep a close watch on three seconds, you won't see much of anything else. I rarely have a count on a lane violation, but merely observe that a player has been there "too long." I think it is natural to give more slack to a player standing passively at the free throw line than to the player who is actively working for position deep in the paint to box out or post up.
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Thanks for your straightforward, honest, practical answers to my questions. Please note that I never said in my post what the calls should be, all I said is that there may be "gray areas" open to interpretation, which may mean different interpretations made by different officials, also depending on the level of the game, score, and time remaining.
One picky point. I've been officiating for 27 years and have observed free throw shooters going past the ten count, even a slow ten count, many, maybe many, many times. Unless you're a rookie official, which by your intelligent, and educational, posts, I believe that you are not, I can't believe that you've never had a player go over a slow ten count.