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Originally Posted by truerookie
Well, blow me over with a feather. I'm not trying to distort anyone's words. I do not engaged in that type of activity. I make a mistake I acknowledge it and move on. I will say this again any contact which redirects a player is not incidental. It should be call.
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You are right. Still does not change the reality to this conversation. Simply touching a ball handler cannot be a foul if there is no advantage. That is what the rules say, not just one POE. And when this POE is no longer mentioned in the rulebook, the rule on incidental contact will stay.
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Originally Posted by truerookie
I ask you this. The next time you officiate a game and aplayer cuts through the lane see if they get bump when there is good spacing between the players on the court. Educate me on if it incidental or not. Thanks
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I am not trying to educate you. You can believe and call what you like. There is a reason why some people are hired and work certain ball and others sit at home.
I think this discussion is no different than when and how we call holding in football. The rules in football says nothing about how to call holding but makes it clear what is illegal or illegal when it comes to blocking. But in the real world we call holding based on point of attack, advantage to the block, strong legs or any number of considerations we make when making that call. If you want to call all "touching of players" with players and both hands, be my guest. I go to camps all the time and not only is that not expected, it is not called by even those that advocate calling handchecking. And BTW, I probably call more handchecking calls than any one official here on a regular basis. This is not about calling handchecking. It is whether this POE is void of other rules that are already in the rulebook. And the rules clearly say that contact that does not affect normal player movement is not a foul. The rest is about your judgment.
Peace