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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
You are wrong. If you go back to post #22 of this thread and re-read it, you will see that Camron is agreeing with Rut's statement that "Rhythm, Balance, Speed and Quickness is what you should apply when calling hand-check fouls on perimeter contact. If none of those things are disrupted, then you do not need to call a foul." Those statements are completely antithetical to the direction given us by FED and NCAA rulesmakers in regards to a defender placing two hands on a ballhandler.
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Not quite....I'll call it without disrupting RBSQ....but not 100%.
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Camron stated in that post that there are cases where an advantage is gained or play is too rough that two hands on a ballhandler is a good indicator.
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Exactly...and indicator, not the only deciding factor.
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Both the FED and NCAA rulesmakers are telling us that particular call has nothing to do with advantage/disadvantage, rough play or RBSQ. If we see 2 hands on a ballhandler, we are simply supposed to call a foul.
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No they're not. You're reading the wrong intent into their words....your own personal views. What they're telling us is that two hands should generally be consider to be an advantage or rough play...that is has an effect...and too many officials are still not calling it...not recognizing the advantage/roughness. If that were not the case, you'd not even see the POE. If it had no effect, advantage, or roughness, the rulesmakers wouldn't even care. They just feel many officials are not recognizing the advantage that is gained too often relative to how often it is called.
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Rut isn't talking about one very specific case where a defender puts two hands on a ballhandler after that ballhandler has beaten and gone completely past that defender and has a clear path to the basket. He is talking about all instances where a defender places two hands on a ballhandler. The rulesmakers disagree with that philosophy completely.
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He may or may not be, but I am. That's exactly the kind of case I'm talking about....yet YOU insist that the foul should still be called...cancel the points...ball to A for a throwin.
I have yet to meet a coach who'd rather have the foul instead of the made basket....in fact most are quite upset if the foul is called and they don't get the points.