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Originally Posted by MrUmpire
I can't asnwer for Bob, but for me, you make this sound like a play that took a long time to develop, whereas I see it as bang bang, as most pick 0ff plays are. Most likely the runner reached the bag and the field was receiving the ball...no way to confirm that the runner was stable and in control of himself. If indeed it was bang, bang...I have an out.
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I see what your saying, but the post seems to indicate otherwise.
"Runner gets back to 2nd base standing up"..Back to 2nd says "stable to me
Then the fun starts..."shortstop coming in behind second base has to reach around the runner standing on second to catch the throw"..sounds like contact has started..
..."The shortstop, after catching the ball is off balance and leans on the runner, the runner falls to the ground with the shortstop and comes off the base. The shortstop applies the tag from the catch to the ground..."
Shortstop is OFF BALANCE? LEANS on the runner? After runner was BACK to 2nd, STANDING on the base. Seems like the throw took F6 into the bag and caused the actions described.
I dont think Bang Bang should be determining factor. Its what caused runner to come off base. If runner in reaching for the base, wasnt in control or "stable" as you say, and a "normal" tag was applied, Id lean towards an out.
But with the SS being off balance, the throw taking SS into the runner,thats what knocked R2 off the base. Why should the defense benefit whey they caused the action??