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Old Tue Jul 30, 2002, 01:58pm
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NFHS Ruling

Below is the response I received from Mary Struckhoff of NFHS. Also my full email is attached. She agrees that a live ball fight is a flagrant personal and a dead ball fight a flagrant techincal. She proposes that 10-3-10 needs further explanation, which would make it a techhical if the fight occurred during a a dead ball.
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I agree with your interpretation of the live-ball and dead-ball situations.Â* If you would like to propose an editorial change to further explain Rule 10-3-10, feel free.

Mary
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Mary,Â* I hope this email finds you doing well. I would like your thoughts on the below discussion... Thanks in advance.... Basic question is if a punch thrown during a live ball is flagrant personal or flagrant technical. I say
flagrant personal and I sight the examples below. Although the last example is a little contraditory, what do you think?

Below is a discussion regarding fighting and a discrepancy in the rule and case book. Although the differences is minor I was interested in your interpretation... Thanks in advance for your thoughts......

Rule book not all incompassing As I have mentioned in other discussions, the rule book does have some blank spaces in it. That is where our judgement must come into play.I believe that this is one of them. The rule & cases below all show live ball is flagrant/personal dead ball is flagrant/techincal.

DEAD BALL:
Rule 4-19-4, Techincal involves DEAD ball contact.
Rule 4-19-5c, Technical on contact while ball is DEAD.
CB, 10-4-4sitD, Flagrant technical while ball is DEAD.
CB4-19-7sitAA, (b) DEAD ball double techincal.
CB4-18-2, Taunting DEAD ball deemed fighting, flagrant technical.

LIVE BALL:
Rule 4-19-1, personal foul, contact during LIVE ball.
CB, 10-4-4sitA, Flagrant personal while ball is LIVE.
CB, 10-4-4sitb, Flagrant personal while ball is LIVE.
CB, 4-19-12sit, references case book 10-4-4 as FLagrant personal while ball
is LIVE.
CB4-19-7sitA, (a) LIVE ball double personal.

EXCEPTion:
10-3-10, Be charged with fighting.. This is the only one that does not reference fighting in live ball or dead ball. It just references fighting... All others reference live ball fighting as Flagrant personal, and dead ball fighting as flagrant technical.

I believe it was either left out by error or was just stating that fighting CAN be a technical and didn't clarify that, to be a technical involving contact, it must be during a dead ball.

To me there are too many examples of the correct way to call it..........
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