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Originally posted by Camron Rust
In the case you cite, were the intial punches a fight or just a basic flagrant personal fouls? Does the reference to "involved in the fight" imply that it was intially a fight or that it evantually grew into a fight? That is not really stated. It say sthat the two players "begin to punch each other". I interpret that to say that there was additional activity beyond the initial scuffle. The intial conflict may not have been declared a fight, but with escalation (as or after the ball became dead) it became a fight...especially when the other players came onto the floor.
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I interpreted the CB play as a straight fight,mainly because there were no additional penalties listed for A1 and B1 for any escalation after the punches,plus there was no mention of anything preceeding or succeeding the altercation between the two.The initial conflict(punches)sure fits the official definition of a fight under R4-18,also.I agree with you that it doesn't really matter as long as you call it a double flagrant something,and not a false double of some kind.The language does need to be cleaned up.I believe Self has written away for an official interpretation on it.