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I still do not constitute a fight by one person swinging. If a A1 from behind turns and hits a B1 in the back during live ball. I am calling a Flagrant personal foul. If nothing else happens we will shoot two free throws and bring the ball in at point of foul.

If B1 were to retaliate, I would now have a flagrant technical on B1.

I do see the point although rare it may be if all of a sudden two people swing at the same time, that would be a fight. I think though I would call a double flagrant person.

In all reality it doesn't really matter but, it should be cleared up by adding the line you suggested.

My only reason for pursuing this discussion really involves the difference between intentional and technical. Too many people do not use them properly. I had a play where A1 was on the ground and as B1 turned to dribble by A1, A1 lifted his leg an tripped B1(intentionally), I called an intentional foul. Both my parnters said they would have just called a technical. I said you can't do that. They were like "What's the difference"?

1.) Now A1 has a technical, a second and he is ejected, and has to sit out two games.
2.) Depending on time of game the location of the throw in could be important.... just two examples there may be more...

This is what I was trying to stress. I do see the confusion in the way this is written though. I guess though I will fall back to 4-19-5c, This says a flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead is a technical. So during live ball I am calling flagrant personal, and dead ball flagrant technical.

Good discussion though............