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Originally Posted by greymule
For those of us discussing this play locally that work little FED, are you aware of any OBR-based reference that supports the statement that the force still remains on R1 when the B/R is put out?
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NCAA, on the other hand, goes not by whether the runner was forced at the time he missed the bag, but by whether he was forced at the time the play began.
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Greymule,
I've commented on this before, but seemingly without anybody noticing. So I'll try to incite some comment by saying it more strongly.
All three rule sets treat this the same way.
The BRD is wrong.
Here's the NCAA rule 8-5j
SECTION 5. A runner is out when:
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j. The individual fails to reach the next base before a fielder tags the runner or the base after the runner has been forced to advance because the batter became a runner;
Exception—
No runner can be forced out if a runner who follows in the batting order is put out first. However, if a runner is put out during live action, it does not remove the force on any runners who might subsequently be declared out for a running infraction.
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To paraphrase the country western song: Which part of the bolded statement above doesn't Childress understand? In my 2004 BRD, he quotes only the second part of the exception, and that makes it a lot easier to misinterpret the second sentence.
I believe that "subsequently declared out" refers to when an appeal is sustained (it says "declared", not "put out") rather than the moment the baserunning error occurred.
The NCAA rule isn't a model of clarity, but to interpret it the way CC has requires us to believe that the NCAA wants to treat this aspect of baseball differently than other rulesets (for no plausible reason), and also to believe that they intentionally wrote consecutive sentences that directly contradict each other.