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Originally Posted by Illini_Ref
My bad.
I have just been so confused by this. Now I know that many of you, actually most all, say that it shouldn't be confusing. However, I have contacted two separate clinicians in Illinois, from two different parts of the state. They both have said that if a runner misses a base he is forced to and is returning there does NOT need to be a tag. They both reference that the force is still on and that a force out can be obtained by merely touching the base.
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I do not know how you were wording your question to the clinicians. There statement is correct but it depends upon where the runner is.
Example: R1 outs irrelevant. Ground ball to F6 who throws to F4 to get the force on R1. R1 beats the play, slides past the bag and IMMEDIATELY scrambles back to touch the bag with his hand.
I think (could be dangerous) what the clinicians are referring to is a case where R1 does not touch second base on route to third base. R1 is about half-way to third when he starts retreating back to second base. F4 standing on the bag says "hey blue he missed second base") then the appeal will be honored.
You also have to remember the concept of last time by as well. In reality on a play in which the runner misses (slides past) a base and immediately scrambles back and tags the base, by the time the fielder says "hey Blue he missed second base" etc. The runner at this point has already Touched the base.
It's no different then on a fly ball R1 passes second base and does not touch it, but upon his return to first base touches second base on his last time by.
Could FED do a better job in explaining this - Yes as with the case of their new OBS definition and case plays
Pete Booth