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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Ok, ok, let me interrupt this catfight... 
First, apologize to Harry for me for misspelling his name. I knew it was Bohn - but that's what I get for typing quickly at work.
Jeff, I was not aware we are no longer using NF mechanics. I was under the impression the reason we were no longer receiving the mechanics manuals was as a cost saving move to avoid postage costs, not because we were going away from the basics. Sure, there may be a few small items that are different, such as I know for sure Harry wants us to ALWAYS hand the ball to a thower on the baseline, even if we're in the backcourt. But those are minor items, not major differences in philosophy. |
The rulebooks and the manuals are two separate issues. We are not using the manuals anymore because the NF has either not updated their mechanics or they just off base with real out of touch with current mechanics. And this is an all sport policy, not just a basketball policy. And the chasms are vastly different in sports like Football and Baseball where the NF has been very outdated. Basketball we are more inline with the NF but there are things we do not subscribe to.
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
But, most importantly, those are mechanics. We were talking rules and POE's. As far as I know, they still want us to follow NF rules because they were still sending out rulebooks, right?  I've also heard Harry speak the last couple of years at our association meetings right before regionals started, and he has specifically stated his, and the IHSA's goals, are to have consistency in the entire state, from Chicago down to Cairo. I'm not arguing the merits of whether two hands on a dribbler should automatically be a foul. All I'm saying it is written as such in the rulebook the IHSA wants us to use, and if there is a difference in philosophy with the IHSA, then they need to do a better job of letting the rest of us know about that difference. |
That is sometimes debatable because it would not be the first time if the Kurt or Harry took a position on a specific rule that was different than the NF. And until we see what is presented at the rules meeting we do not know for sure if they will not take a position a little different than the guidelines the NF suggested.
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
So, to answer your question:
If I see it, yep, because that's what the rule and POE says.
Now, we can have another discussion as to whether I would actually see that second hand touch in that particular instance... |
Well I will take my chances that the only people that will want that called is the coach that will benefit. I think if you make that call very much, then you will be called to the carpet by being too technical and at the end of the day my regular season games do not come from the IHSA or the NF. And you can stand on a silly principle and not work any games at all. I am manly saying that it is not a practical application made from people who do not officiate the game. And to me this is a bigger issue on the boy's side where you will get a lot of flack for calling fouls where people only touch each other. There has to be a higher standard than that. On the girl's side that might be acceptable, but not in places where I work that would not fly. Of course coaches claim they want more hand-checking calls, but speaking as someone who calls a lot of them there is enough complaining when they are legit. It is really going to make no sense if we call a ball handler just standing and he is touched and we have a foul that did not knock the player off balance or off their spot.
Peace