charliej47,
Why don't you try reading the cite I posted a little more slowly and see if you can understand it.
Then, go read the Rule 2.0 definition of "Umpire Interference" ( (c)(2) ), Rule 5.09(f) (and don't skip the "comment"!), and 6.08(d). Think how they might all be combined to make a proper ruling on the 2nd sitch you describe.
Then, come back here and post why both of the calls you described are 100% wrong.
JM
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