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Originally Posted by NewUmpinCT
New ump here (2nd year) and I (base ump) had a situation arise in a JV game with a more veteran partner (6 yrs plate ump).
No outs and runners on 1st and 3rd. Batter swings at strike 3 in dirt and runs towards first base. The catcher takes off after the batter/runner and tags him out about 45 feet up 1st base line.
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I agree with Tc. It's F2's responsibility to know the rule. By yelling "He's out, he's out" you are basically coaching and giving advantage to defense. At the JV level F2 should darn well know thisrule.
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Originally Posted by NewUmpinCT
I hesitated making a call
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You have no call to make.
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because my partner should have called the batter out immediately as 1st base was occupied and it was not 2 outs.
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Did he signal strike?
I never verbalize strike on a swinginging strike 3 out unless it's a check swing strike.
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Originally Posted by NewUmpinCT
Next batter... basically the same thing occurs (arrrrgggghhhh in my head, but not out loud.) This time catcher throws to first base - again I hesitated but make out signal.
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At this point you legitimized f2's action by signaling out. There was no call for you to make.
It was you and not PU that may have caused the confusion on this one.
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Runner on first never advanced again, but R3 scored on play.
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Good heads up play by R3
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In between innings, I went to discuss both scenarios with my partner and he agreed he blew the call on loudly insisting batter is out. No problem there, however, the defensive coach comes over and rants about blow call allowed run to score in a close game... He did also say so after the 2nd strike 3 in the dirt. I never uttered a word, letting my partner explain everything to the coach. He did own up to the fact that he should have yelled batter out.
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He certainly could have yelled but I don't. He may as well be yelling "first base occupied don't throw it"
I use the same mechanic on all swinging strike 3 outs. No verbal and bring the hammer down accross my body.
Swinging strike 3s in the dirt I use the same non verbal mechanic as all other non strike 3 calls.
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Then 3rd hypothetical situation (discussed after game with partner): Bases loaded, 2 outs. Strike 3 in dirt to batter. He advances towards first legally this time. Catcher does NOT throw to first but tags home to "put out" R3 as he is "forced" to run towards the plate. Can this be done OR does the catcher have to throw the batter/runner out at first?
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It's a force out at the plate. Touch of HP is all that's necessary.
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(note there was also a foul tip to the backstop on the play) but the batter and offensive coach are going crazy... I did not award anything because I couldn't and didn't see it.
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Don't want to be nit picky, but as an ump you need to know the lingo.
Foul tips cannot go to back stop.
Foul tips by definition are caught. Foul balls go to the back stop.