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Originally Posted by PeteBooth
As Garth said the rule-makers were not stupid. You are either out or safe.
If we go by what you recommend then in effect we have a "do-over" because there was a tie.
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Pete Pete Pete
You have failed to read or comprehend a single one of my posts.
See post 35 specifically
By RULE the tag at first must beat the BR's touch. IF it was a tie or as you say a coinflip then the tag did not beat the touch therefore SAFE.
Where did I ever propose "do over"?
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Originally Posted by PeteBooth
In our Profession these close plays are not called TIES, they are called "coin-flip" calls and there are factors we should consider.
If F6 goes deep into the hole and makes a spectacular play and the play at first is a "coin-flip" then we reward the defense.
Conversely, if B1 hits a routine ground ball to F4 and B1 is busting it out of the box and F4 mis-plays the ball and turns what should have been a routine play into a "coin-flip" we reward the offense.
This site is still valuable and there are new posters or young umpires trying to learn and the word TIE is not contained in any rule nor should it be.
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Let me say FINALLY someone of reason, even though you did accuse me of "do overs"
Back in post 11 I said Ties are for umpires. Meaning in a very practical way we can rule whichever way for the very reasons you just stated, or just simply to get an out if we're so inclined.
After that some of the regulars jumped on 56 for using the word tie. Now I have no idea who 56 is and I have no axe to grind and I thought it bush to start namecalling because the guy stated a theoretical truth.
I jumped on board with 56 and defended the position with rules. The response of course was more name calling.
I figured if these guys were half the teacher they purport to be they would use this as a teaching opportunity, but instead they could only hurl insults.
Theoretically my position is very sound and I stand by it, theoretically.
Practically, ties or coin flips belong to the umpire as I stated in the very beginning.
You're the only one after all these posts who gave practical on the field application to this theoretcal situation.
To which I have to say I 100% adhere to. It's the advice and teaching I've received from the beginning and what I pass down to those I have the opportunity to mentor