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Old Mon Mar 10, 2008, 09:14pm
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hmm.. I'm not aware of that difference. I've looked and dont see that. I am assuming you mean an appeal for 4th out on BR?

It isn't technically an appeal. It's simply putting the BR out before the BR reaches 1B. We might think of it as an appeal because it comes after the third out, and apparently ASA doesn't differentiate, but an appeal is for a base missed or left too soon. When Fred Merkle failed to advance to 2B in 1908, that was just a force out, not an appeal play.

Take this play:

Abel on 3B, Baker on 2B, 2 out. With Abel off on the pitch, Charles hits a ground ball to F5, who sees Baker approaching and figures he'll tag Baker for the third out. Abel crosses the plate before F5 tags Baker, but then F5 realizes his mistake and throws to 1B for the (fourth) out on Charles.

Whether we call this an "appeal" or not, in ASA the out at 1B would not count and the run would score. In Fed and NCAA softball (and all the baseball codes), it would be nullified.
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