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Originally Posted by CO ump
Sure you can. This is the court of public opinion not state or federal criminal court.
The media and public can have it as many ways as they want
The 'evidence' thus far presented to the public has undeniably convicted ol Roger and Barry as well as OJ
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And folks like me can call you on that BS. Because that is all it is, BS.
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Originally Posted by CO ump
It doesn't improve their natural talent, it just makes them stronger.
A player not on the juice who hits 30 hr and 35 warning track outs in a year goes on the juice and now hits 38 hrs, 5 doubles off the wall and 22 warning track outs has just become a 'better player' by virtue of added strength. His ability to identify pitches, anticipate how he will be pitched, hand eye coordination and swing mechanics, all necessary talents to play in MLB, has not been affected but his added strength and increased durability makes a big difference.
If you don't see this you need to open your eyes.
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Do you have any studies that prove that? Because I will keep saying this, Benito Santiago was using steroids and failed a drug test. If you look at his stats throughout his career, he probably never hit more than 20 HRs during any year. When he left MLB, he barely hit 10 home runs. And that is just one example. Maybe you need to look at the list of players that actually tested positive for steroids and see how minimal their numbers were.
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Originally Posted by CO ump
How old is Clemens? 42 I think.
How many 42 year old pitchers not on the juice are still in the game?
Not many
Maybe because:
Most 42 year old power pitchers have lost significant speed, subject to arm problems, pitch many less innings and don't have near as good a winning % as they did in their prime.
The fact that Roger has stayed consistent in these areas despite his age is just one more reason to believe he's guilty
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Have you ever heard of Steve Carlton and Nolan Ryan? Ryan pitched his last no-hitter in his 40s. And I guess you have never heard of Randy Johnson or even Curt Schilling. Both pitchers are in their 40s and had success even in their early 40s. Also Clemens had health problems this year and did not start every time he had the ball. Clemens also the last two seasons did not pitch in spring training nor did he pitch a full season the last two years as well. Also Clemens' velocity has gone down for several years. The thing that made him effective is the fact he would pitch inside and developed another pitch he did not have in his early years. Not much different than Greg Maddox who also is in his 40s and knows where to put the ball and is relatively effective despite losing movement and velocity off his pitches.
My point is that you have to do better than read what the media tells you. I have no idea if Clemens used, but there are people in recent history that we can point towards and see similar success if you know your history.
Someone always told me, in order to know your history; you must know your past. If you knew baseball history, you would know that there are similar players with similar success as Clemens. And you would also know that there are many more examples of players that tested positive, that were journey men at best in baseball and were not even close to breaking records. And everything from medical technology has helped prolong the careers of many players during the current times. Just look at someone that would have had knee surgery in the 60s and how their career would be almost over, to now when someone has major knee surgery, they might be back in a few months to play again.
Peace