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Originally Posted by jdw3018
All you have to add to Ignats' logic to make it clear is individuals participating in warm-ups "with the coach's permission." Obviously if someone comes out of the stands, grabs a ball, and dunks, you aren't going to issue a T.
I'm with all that would view them as bench personnel. If they are out there warming up, and the coach hasn't seen fit to remove them or ask them to be removed, they are bench personnel.
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What if the Vplayers took it upon themselves to just shoot round with the JV team? The JVHC didn't realize they were there or maybe the JVHC isn't on the floor.
Better yet one of the Varsity players who is dressed in their warm ups comes out of the stands behind the JV's bench picks up the ball and throws it down?
4-34 Art.2 "Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s).....
I agree with JR that we really don't know who is going to be bench personnel unless the coach informs us or if they are in fact sitting on the BENCH.
Case Book 4.34.2 gives a play where a trainer who is @ the end of the bench gets penalized as bench personnel.
This is a perfect example of someone who is AFFILIATED with a team but isn't specifically listed in the rule.
4-34 Art. 4 ....A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.
If the Varsity player is in uniform but not eligible to become a player then he can't be considered a team member. If this player doesn't sit on the bench and the coach confirms that he's neither a player or bench personnel then he is just a spectator of the JV game.