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Originally Posted by just another ref
If I am not mistaken Juggling Ref is the only one who said he likes to be notified by the table when a player has 4 fouls. The theory is that he will be prepared when the player picks up his 5th, and will not accidentally allow this disqualified player to remain in the game. He assures us that this information has no effect on the call itself. Fine, I take his word for all this and admire his good intention to go above and beyond and get everything right. First, what level of ball are we talking about here? You refer a couple of times to kids or teenagers as the scorekeepers. And here was the part that I found interesting:
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Are you saying that you have yet to see the crew that can't handle the task of notifying about the 4th foul, yet you have seen a "high number of cases" where they failed to notify you of the 5th? Or did I take something out of context?
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Was going to abandon this thread as I tend to get bored reading threads that reach a thousand responses, but I will reply directly.
Prior to me asking for notice on the 4th, I had a number of cases where a 5th foul was recorded on someone and the play was already live again before the table crew could tell the on-court crew that so-and-so had fouled out. I didn't like this - it happened too often for my liking. As a coach, it would infuriate me to know that a DQ'd player was still playing. Frankly, IMHO, the officials are
paid to get this stuff right.
I started to ask for 4th foul notice. For the most part, I do hear this notice. I even tell them how to tell me that so-and-so has 4 fouls. (Hold up 4 fingers.) My pre-game talk with the table goes well, and I am sure to make them laugh and learn their names.
I also make it a point to tell them that they have done their job well, and that the 4 of us (or 5) are one team. In some cases, I have even told my assignor or tournament director. I do this because way back in my HS years, I was a scorer and timer. I know that they would appreciate it if they did a good job and they heard about it afterwards.