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Originally Posted by PSidbury
I am having trouble finding an explanation in the Rules Book.
In contrast an errant pass that does not touch other players, but is secured by the passing player, is a travel. Because a pass attempt is not a loss of control... hmmm?
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No, this is not "a travel."
Read the definition of traveling. Traveling is moving the pivot foot outside prescribed limits while
HOLDING the ball. With one exception, you cannot travel if you're not holding the ball. That is why neither of your examples is traveling.