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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
That's not true. The ball can be dead while there's still an airborne shooter.
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True but the situation I pictured was one where the shooter goes up, gets "hacked", as OP called it then as he is coming to the floor there is more of a "grab" or something that was considered intentional....in that situation, the ball would not be dead on the first "hack".....turns out I didn't picture the situation correctly....