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Originally Posted by NM_Ref
I looked through the book...didn't find anything specific, but I'm gonna give it a go...
Team A is ready for throwin. A1 throws ball in and it is kicked by B1. There is a violation and A gets the ball back with the arrow.
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Team A is ready for throwin, throws it across the court. Ball touches no one. Ball belongs to team B. Out of bounds violation and ball goes to B. B also gets possession arrow.
The kicked ball situation differs from the ball going out of bounds because you don't want to penalize the team with the throwin because of the defensive violation.
B would get the ball and the arrow because if you didn't give them the arrow, they would be penalized for A's violation.
Check rule 6.4.5
The opportunity to make an alternating-possession throw-in is lost if the throw-in team violates.
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Thanks both of you guys...now it's clearer....A AP throw in that doesn't touch anyone is a violation on the team with the throw in (9.9.2) therefore they lose the ball for the violation and the arrow (6.4.5).
Now I can go to bed, thanks fellas