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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Now you have me confused. Double fouls have always been defined as occurring at approximately the same time, not at exactly the same time. Anything that I've ever read or anybody that I've ever talked to has never brought up the concept of something having to occur "first". It always seemed to be understood that contact followed by immediate retaliation(as in 2 players jockeying for position in the post) was a double foul, no matter who initiated the contact. Are they teaching that concept differently now?
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Yes they are. The last few years especially in the college ranks it has been taught to get the first foul and not penalize the retaliation.
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
In my experience, most double fouls are called to clean up post play or off-ball contact, or to send a message to 2 players to knock their crap off. And in everyone one of them, one of the players made the first contact. Do you regard those as cop-outs too, Tom?
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I cannot speak for Tom, but that is an old way of thinking (at the college level mainly). And in my experience in the past 5 or 6 years at the HS level, double fouls are not considered to be good fouls. A lot of that might be a college influence, but those days seem to be over as a widely accepted practice.
Peace