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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
What does the "under the basket" exception really mean?
2. When the defensive player has legally established a position under the
basket and contact occurs after the ball passes through the net, unless
the defensive player has been placed at a disadvantage (e.g., inability to
rebound, unable to put ball in play without delay.)
So when the defender is under the basket, after the ball passes through the net. Unless it's different in NCAA ball, then we've got an exception for contact after the ball becomes dead. If NCAA is like FED, then unless it's flagrant or intentional, we'd ignore this any time the ball became dead but there was contact afterward.
And with the specific mention of "after the ball passes through the net," then even if the defender is under the hoop, it doesn't preclude a charge if the contact is before the ball passes through the net.
So, as I read it, the two exceptions are roughly:
1) incidental contact (a no-call anywhere on the floor)
2) non-intentional, non-flagrant contact after the ball is dead (same as if it occurred anywhere on the floor).
Am I missing something?
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Now we're getting somewhere. Great point! No, you are not missing anything, in fact you may have helped me. Now I have a better understanding from a different prospective as to why it wasn't being called. I'm not so sure the ball or play is dead unless the last minute of the 2nd half after a made bucket. So the reasoning that the contact is to be ignored unless intentional or flagrant is a stretch. And we still have the problem of the flop which was intorduced this year. I don't know or understand how the heck they want us to call this!
I got more to add. i just got my men's NCAA mechanic manual in the mail. Page 13 Q&A with Hank Nichols.
Q: You've changed and communicated that a block/charge call in the lane on a drive to the basket becomes primary for the lead official. What is the reason for the change?
A: Sometimes the center official might get a better look, but I believe most of the time the lead official will have a great look at the play. Historically the philosophy of officiating dictates the the ref with the play coming toward him usually will have a better chance of getting the play called correctly.....
Hank feels that the lead making this call will make it more consistent. Doesn't really get to the heart of the matter here but I just thought I would add it.