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Originally Posted by Old School
This is an excellent point to build on in all associations, but especially the NBA. I am so sick of seeing a secondary defender go over and establish themselves legally in front of a player about to go airborne. I think we need to do away with this and protect the shooter in an attempt to improve the game. Specifically the part about bringing good defense back to the play. Whenever there's a drive to the basket, secondary defender cannot plant himself in front of the person driving with the ball. Time and distance should be a factor.
For example: Rule 4-40-5 talks about allowing time and distance of not more than 2 strides when screening a moving opponent. We need this same consideration, even more so in my opinion for that of the person with the ball especially when they are driving to the basket for a layup. You can not just jump in front of a guy setting a screen when he is moving, but you can jump in front of the guy with the ball when he is moving just as fast and about to go airborne. Are you kidding me? This is asinine!
Time and distance is not a factor when you are establishing LGP except when you are screening a moving opponent. How about when the guy is about to shoot a layup. His chance for getting seriously injured is higher than the guy that's just playing defense on his opponent. Look at this list of injuries. This info along makes this article very valid, whoever said this guy doesn't know what's he's talking about has had too much to drink.
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.Gerald Wallace arrives late (by the old standard) to try to draw a charge on airborne Curtis Borchardt, who is knocked off kilter and breaks his fall with his wrist, which breaks. (To add insult to injury, the ref called a charge.)
. Andrei Kirilenko breaks his wrist on a nasty spill after help defender Kwame Brown hustles from under the hoop to get outside the restricted line as Kirilenko elevates, creating the unintended undercut effect.
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OS,
This is just a part of the game, things like that are going to happen. I am definite believer of protecting the shooter, but at what cost? To screw a guy over and not give him an offensive foul call that he rightly deserves to have called in his favor?
In reference to your Kirilenko play, it is a block when he undercuts him. Just because there is a RA doesn't mean that it alone is the determining factor if it is a block or charge. We determine first of it is a good ole block/charge to begin with, then we look for the feet, that's why this is a play that if you call an offensive foul and your partner sees his feet in the RA then you can go to your partner and tell him to change the call because of such.
On plays to the basket where there is a block/charge play w/ a secondary defender, I do believe there is time and distance involved, not as literally as with screening action, but overall I believe there is. We judge whether a guy has LGP on plays to the basket involving a secondary defender by seeing when the offensive player starts his motion, right? Well if that is true most guys start their motion when they gather the ball on their first step, right? So that means that the defender has to be there when he gathers, or his first step when he gathers. This gives the player his second step to change direction, which entails to me that there is, in fact, time and distance involved, and that you gave this man a chance to change direction and avoid contact.
Jurassic has pointed out many times that he doesn't know what a foul is or is not in the pro game. I say this, all the guys in the pro system know what they are calling and the players know what the refs are going to be calling and the coaches know what they are going to be calling and those are the only people that matter. I would now like to ask a question, What is a foul in the college game?
I guess it is all determined on how you were taught to officiate while you're growing up. I was taught by pro guys, so I know, 97% of the time what a foul is in the pro game. I don't know what it is in the college game at all. I'm trying to learn though. I am, right now, a not so hot college ref, but I need to be better cause that is where a plurality of my games are coming from. Do you have to just adjust with what you're crew is calling from night to night?