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Originally Posted by ATXCoach
To go along with the flopping talk previously in this thread - I hate it, I don't coach it, and I hate when it gets rewarded at any level. I teach my bigs to slide over get their arms up and to be a brick wall. Correct me if I am wrong, but as long as they get there first (and the shooter isn't in the air, etc.), then this isn't a foul on the defender. Unfortunately, my bigs are still relatively young and are more like a paper wall. What I mean is that the contact gets them in the stomach or chest, and they end up bending at the hip a little, arms come forward, and they get called for the foul. (the calls are not blocking fouls, they are hacking fouls)
I am at a loss because I feel there are occasions when if they would scream and fall backwards then they would get the charge call, but I won't ever teach that. I feel the defender is set, the offensive player contacts the defensive player, then the defensive player reacts to the contact. It seems like a charge to me.
Obviously I am not saying this happens every time and I know there are times when they get block happy and miss - I get that. Just looking for a rules explanation so I can tweak how I coach, if i need to.
Thanks in advance
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to me coach, you just define why you should flop. You may not agree with it, lord knows there are many things I don't agree with when it comes to the rules. But until they change the rules you are doing your girls a disservice by not teaching them the proper way to defend this play. Remember, flopping is illegal, however, if there's contact and you fall back, I don't like the word flop here, that is not illegal. I saw a similiar play in the USA vs. Argentina Gold Medal game where the big player from Argetina was standing in the lane and Chauncey Billups plowed into him on the drive to the bucket, he stood his ground, and his arms came down, just like you stated, and he got hit with the foul. He then turned and kick that rotating billbroad on the floor and broke it. He was then given a technical and Chauncey shot 4 shots and the USA team got the ball back. FIBA rules suck here but anyway, had he would have sold the contact on contact instead of standing his ground, would have been an easy offensive foul call to make, because they where playing a zone.
If they stand like a wall and a player crashes into them and they hold their ground, chances are, that's going to be a no call. However, if they are bending and the arms fall forward into the shooter, then we got this 2nd thing occurring with the arms coming down into the shooters space, easy foul call to make on the shot. If they flop as you guys call it, or just sell the initial contact, IOW's, give it the Dennis Rodman treatment, the only thing i have to do is verify if there is contact, offense!
If you don't want to teach the contact and fall back (not a flop) teach them to play defense. IOWs go up and block the shot. If it's big on big, you get the desired result with your defensive tactic, but if it's big on small, bigger player need to block the shot instead of trying to hold their ground, imho. Bigger players don't need to be flopping either when a smaller player comes into them.