[fitump56]

Originally Posted by fitump56
Lets suppose there never ever has been a succesful lawsuit. Are you willing to support the argument that since it is a legend that the consequences cannot be severe? That its a frivolous act to take every precaution that you are not the first?

Originally Posted by cbfoulds

Since I'm pretty sure you've read what I wrote previously in this thread, you know I am not making your first argument.

To reiterate: buy the insurance!

As for the second: kinda depends upon what you actually mean by "every precaution", don't it?

My first "applies to all cases" piece of advice [also in previous posts, above]: DO YOUR JOB RE: SAFETY RULES.

This would fit my definition of being non-frivolous.

The point of my comments about the "legend" staus of many of these "reports" [including, by the way, yours] is this: it is possible to get one's shorts in such a wad about avoiding any possible source of liability that it seems the only rational response is to retreat inside, lock the doors and never come out. It is silly to get all that worked up by a liability where there are, by every reasonable measure, NO INSTANCES where there has ever been a final judgment imposing liability for negligence on an umpire for game-related injury.

Wrong, cited in this thread are instances.

...You may get sued, but they won't win. So: DO YOUR JOB, and BUY THE INSURANCE; and you can umpire your games with "the calm assurance of a christian holding four aces."

Truly naive advice, truly naive.

fit... I've DONE the "search" you have repeatedly suggested would disclose "many" of these judgments ... I know of at least two insurance companies that have researched the industry databases looking for such suits ... the results are always the same: nothing to report.

So have we, you need a new search engine or a new searcher.

That's why those of us interrested in this issue [me, Tee, Hensley, others] keep asking; IF YOU KNOW ABOUT ONE OF THESE: TELL US THE DETAILS so we can go look it up. Pretending you know someting we don't and all that is neccesary is to "go look it up": without providing a single party's name, not one Court or case citation, not even a locality and date is just bogus.

Then if you believe my claims are bogus, what worries have you? Go along your merry way and hang your house on your naive advce and stance on this subject noted above.

If you know: tell... o/w you clearly don't know, except what "everybody knows".. which is what makes "urban legends".

Asked and answered within this thread.

Which leads back to the premise,

Lets suppose there never ever has been a succesful lawsuit. Are you willing to support the argument that since it is a legend that the consequences cannot be severe?

For you see, or don't, it makes relatively little diff if I or you are right or wrong. Good biz practices prepares for ALL possibilities and beiong sued as an ump or ump org is absolutely, positively the kind of thing that can create ultimate havoc and the dissolution of your earning potential and the orgs very existence. Nothing else can but this kind of legal action.