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Originally Posted by just another ref
This interpretation seems to be in conflict with the rule to me. Perhaps someone could explain.
5-8-3: ..........such request being granted only when:
a. The ball is in control or at the disposal of a player of his/her team.
b.
The ball is dead, unless replacement of a disqualified, or injured player(s), or a player directed to leave the game is pending, and a substitute(s) is available and required.
The situation in this interpretation does not match either of these.
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Originally Posted by rainmaker
In the case play that Nevada quoted, the interp is that the throw-in doesn't start until the ref has started the count. The way it's written, it sounds as though someone has the ball, so the throw-in has started. But in reality, it's very likely that the request, and the scooping up of the ball and the heading for the endline happened nearly simultaneously, and all that just a fraction of a second after the ball fell through the net. So since the ref hasn't started counting yet, the throw-in hasn't started, and the TO request can still be granted. Especially if the total amount of time between the ball falling into the basket and the whistle is less than a second, so that the ref can legitimately say that the requiest happened before the ball became live.
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But.....
6-1-2 tells us that the ball becomes live when ".....on a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower."
4-42-3 tells us: The throw-in and the throw-in count begin when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.
4-4-7 tells us: The ball is at the disposal of a player when it is
available to a player after after a goal.
The word available indicates that the count could start even before being touched.....and in the interpretation "B1.....secures the ball and begins heading toward the end line...." In this case the ball is past the point of being available, is it not? This situation insinuates that the count does not start until B1 steps out of bounds with the ball. If this were the case, in a last second situation if team A has no time out, B1 could kill additional time (you tell me how much) by delaying stepping out of bounds.