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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Then if that is the point you are trying to make, it is a very bad one.
The only thing most of us have advocated is if the throw clearly beats a runner and there is a decent tag applied along with a slide directly into the tag, we are going to give the benefit of the doubt to the defense. Usually at the amateur level we are not in perfect position to make a call like this (I did see the play BTW) like the Major League Umpire had. Often that call is made from 30 yards away and from a totally different angle that an umpire in the Major Leagues would have. This would not apply if a slide was away from the fielder or was a good effort to avoid the tag. This is quite a different situation from what Don is trying to make. Actually he does not even understand what he is advocating. Not sure you do either Bob.
Peace
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The only thing most of us have advocated is if the throw clearly beats a runner and there is a decent tag applied along with a slide directly into the tag, we are going to give the benefit of the doubt to the defense.
THAT'S my point. Too many umpires, and Carl Childress is one, advocate that if the throw beats the runner, and the glove is IN THE VICINITY, call the out. Doesn't matter that there was no tag. Just like the 'phantom' touch at 2B on a double play. I've seen throws taken 3' on the 1B side of 2B, and the out is given.
Usually at the amateur level we are not in perfect position to make a call like this...
Then you're not hustling.
Bob