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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
So what would you like to call it? "Trying to helping preventing officiating"? Jeez.
If my voice makes a light bulb go on over a kid's head, that's preventive. If my voice doesn't help and the kid commits the infraction, then it's not preventive and I have to go to the penalty.
The penalty is NEVER preventive, because it's applied AFTER the infraction. If you PREVENT the infraction, you don't need the penalty.
Writing a speeding ticket is not preventive law enforcement. A state trooper driving in the middle lane at 65 mph is preventive law enforcement. Just by being there, s/he is preventing most people from speeding.
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Originally Posted by mbyron
This is a simple "type/token" confusion.
(1) Penalties are in the rule book to prevent certain types of act.
(2) Imposing a penalty for a foul or violation obviously cannot prevent the token (or instance) that one whistled.
The truth of (2) does not undercut the truth of (1).
The idea of such preventive officiating as "get out of the middle!" depends on the idea in (1).
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What are you guys, a couple of philosophy professors? You're making it way too complicated. If you yell at the players, they either don't do the dirty, or they do. If they do, you penalize; if they don't, you let them play on. Who cares what the durn words are?
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Geeze, think I'll get kicked out of the clique?
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Well, duh, of course not. You've got yourself a lifetime membership just by being so difficult all the time.