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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
1) So, if I'm standing there waiting to chop in the clock, see the kick, blow my whistle, and never chop in time, why wouldn't that be a timer's mistake for starting the clock without receiving the official's signal? I didn't neglect to signal; I purposely didn't signal, because time shouldn't have started.
2) So, what is the intent and purpose of 5-9-4?
3) Well, see above. I now have two possible timer's mistakes - first, if you do argue the clock was properly started, I argue the clock wasn't properly stopped.
4) But I still maintain the clock wasn't stopped immediately, because I have definite knowledge the throw-in was not completed, and can correct the time based on that specific knowledge.
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1) I hate to have to be the one to break this to you, but according to the rules the clock should have started. Rules 5-9-1&4 to be exact. The timer started the clock according to the rules.
You didn't.
2) What difference does it make what the purpose and intent of the rule is?
All that really matters is that
you call the play
BY the rule. And the rule says that
you start the clock on a throw-in when the ball touches or is touched by a player on the court.
You are supposed to signal time in on that touch, as per 5-9-4. When
you fail to do as instructed by rule, the timer is now authorized to start the clock on his own. Don't blame the timer for
your screw-up. The timer did not commit a mistake.
3) You can argue it if you want, but I still don't see you citing any rules to back up your argument. The official is supposed to stop the clock because of the violation. The timer isn't authorized to stop the clock until
you signal him to do so.
4) Hooray for you and your definite knowledge. I can't begin to tell you how happy I am for you. Now.......whatinthehell does that have to do with starting and stopping the clock on a throw-in as per the current written rules? There's nothing anywhere in the rules that I know of that can negate the specific language of R5-9-1&4. You can't put time back on the clock when there was NO timer's mistake made and the clock started and stopped by the
existing rules.