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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
And there's where you're wrong....and that's exactly why this thread is so damn long. You simply don't understand the basic rules and concepts. And when people try to explain basic rules and concepts, you fail to comprehend the explanations.
If you deliberately kick or punch the ball, that is a violation. If the ball then goes OOB, it is not another violation. Going OOB after kicking the ball basically doesn't mean squat. There is NO penalty for the ball going OOB after a kick. There is a penalty(violation) for the ball going OOB after a legal touch in-bounds.
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I know this moron. This is not the issue.
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If you kick or punch an AP throw-in, the AP throw-in never ended legally and the arrow doesn't change. If you simply touch the ball in-bounds and it then goes OOB, the AP throw-in has ended legally and the arrow does change. It makes all the difference in the world......and you can't seem to understand that.
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We all understand this too. The reason this thread has gone this long is because you keep trying to make me believe that this rule change makes sense and it doesn't. By prolonging or delaying, or dismissing the APTI because of a kick violation. You double the penality for the kick violation. I could care less that the legal touching of the ball causes the APTI to end. That is normal and is what should happen, but kicking the ball should not put off the APTI indefinitely. The reason is because we are still at the same spot, we are still inbounding the ball. The smart thing to do would be to say the APTI has not ended, and the next (very next) legal touch of the ball ends it. Much the same way we allow the ELTI conditions to remain after the kick ball.
I am not the only one that disagrees with this logic. I am the only one that is taking a stand. I'm only taking a stand because I believe this change is wrong. If you observe what would happen in the event of jumping the ball center circle instead of this new AP procedure, you will then see that the balance of fair play has been compromise. If you can't see that then you are just as dumb as the person you are calling dumb.
Apples and oranges, no, just common sense. We will have to agree to disagree on this one.