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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Hold the phone! You're agreeing with me! Yes, finally!
The kicked ball after a made bucket means the TI was not completed, therefore the team gets to do it again, complete with the endline priviledge.
Just like a kicked ball during a APTI means the TI was not completed, so they get to do it again, complete with keeping the arrow.
So, what was your question again?
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This is not the same as the endline privildege. The endline priviledge TI happens right away and the subsequent TI is not a kick ball TI, but an endline priviledged TI, which meant
we went back to the condition after the scoring bucket following the kick ball violation.
On the APTI/kick ball, we now go to a new TI, which is the kick ball penality TI. The APTI is put off for the next held/jump ball event. The obvious question that everyone should see and be asking here is WHY? The EL priviledge event took the kick ball penality TI back to the EL priviledge event. It did not change the TI to a kick ball penality TI and reserved the EL priviledge TI to a future event.
I understand your point that the EL priviledge was retained and so must the APTI. My problem is why put this off to a future event? Why put this off to the next held/jump ball? Why not revert back since we are still at a TI. At this point, nothing is gained or lost to either team. This, my friend would have been the simpliest choice. Instead, the rulemakers choice the more complicated route.
Last, the AP replaced the jump ball. Everything that should happen or must happen can be backtested by just going back and reviewing what would have happen if we where still employing the old center circle JB. Let's review it.
1. Held ball - identify jumpers
2. jump toss - center or semi-circle
3. kick ball violation on B3 before ball is recover
4. team A gets possession
5. Next held/jump ball - identify jumpers
6. jump toss - center or semi-circle
As you can see, never is there a time in the old procedure where 2 consecutive held/jump balls results in one team being favored over the other to receive possession. Both teams (#2 and #6) have equal opportunity to get the next possession after the kick ball (#3) violation. This is where the mistake is. Not so in the new AP procedure.