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Originally Posted by lawump
IMO, yes absolutely. You SHOULD be held to a different standard. You have first-hand knowledge of how difficult it is to officiate.
If "speaking freely" means "getting personal" with the official (so as to draw a technical) I would say "no". If speaking freely means addressing your concerns with the referee in a professional manner...then "yes".
For example, I umpire with a guy (who is a very, very good Div. 1 major-conference college umpire) who complains about (baseball) head coaches. He will say to other umpires that "that coach is a no good such-and-such" and "this coach is a no good xxxxxx" . Which is fine...we all say things like that about certain coaches to other umpires away from the field.
However, this same umpire also coaches a high school girls basketball team and he also likes to tell us stories about how proud he was to get tossed twice during the regular season because "the officials were just horrible and they needed to know it."
You know what? I have little respect for someone with that double-standard. It pisses me off, frankly. Don't moan and groan as an umpire about a head coach because "all he does is b itch and moan and whine all game long" and then go out and do the same thing when you're coaching basketball in the off-season.
Frankly, if I'm umpiring in a game with a guy who is also an *** hole coach (toward officials) ..I may just be a step slower in helping him out when they're ready to burn the dugouts on him. You know: give him a chance to stand there and see how he likes being the official in that situation.
No. But I do expect that you won't shout out at the umpire in a manner to draw attention to yourself so that everyone in the stands now knows that another umpire thinks the umpires on the field screwed up.
[I realize that in a MLB park not everyone in the stands will hear you (except in DC) or know you're an umpire...but in the OP...or at a high school game, this is a very real possibility.]
Yes, he was.
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I hate rats as much as the next guy, but I expect a coach to be a coach during a game. I don't care if he's a professional or high level college official -- not even if he's an official of the same sport.
Why should that coach be held to a higher standard because sometimes he's an umpire? During the game, his job is coach. He should feel free to act like any other coach and my methods of dealing with him should be no different than the methods I use when someone else is coaching.
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.