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Originally Posted by Old School
I don't think that the Fed. of coaches would agree with this ruling either. Team A receiving the AP multiple times in a row because of a violation on the inbound. IOW's, you punishing good defense. If I try to steal the ball and cause a violation the AP is now null and void. Which means it doesn’t alternate.
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Explain how illegally touching the ball is good defense. No one is arguing that team A should be able to complete a throwin to their team....just that team B can't cause team A to lose the arrow by by a violation....that is the ENTIRE purpose of the rule change.
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Originally Posted by Old School
Hold the phone! In order for there to be a violation, the AP awarded me the ball for the throw-in. Without the arrow in my favor from the AP. The throw-in would never have happen. So to me, you guys have circumvented this rule into something it was not originally intended to do. By saying the AP is not complete until a successful throw in, is wrong and at the heart of the argument.
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First, the AP grants you possession. It does not or should not guarantee you a successful throw-in. If there’s a violation of the throw-in, you don’t lose the ball anyway. You are now on to something else, like another spot throw-in. AP is now done.
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Again, it's not to guarantee success, just to guarantee that the defense can only stop it through legal means.
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Originally Posted by Old School
What happens if there’s a violation of the offensive team? Team B gets the ball and the AP stays with Team A because the throw-in was not successful.
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No. Team A loses the arrow anytime they violation during the AP throwin...yet another rule you don't know.
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Originally Posted by Old School
The AP should just guarantee you possession, not a successful throw-in. Once I hand the player the ball, the AP has done it’s job.
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Except that is not the rule...the AP hasn't done it's job until A gets the inbounds without a violation.
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Originally Posted by Old School
Now, in the event that we have another held ball on the throw-in. The AP will stay with the team currently inbounding, Team A. That makes since to me. Once we have a violation, the AP has ended. Not null and void but ended. Once the ball is inbounded, possession should now switch as in hence, alternating possession.
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Which happens first, the violation (kick) or the ball obtaining inbounds status? They happen at the same time. The rule effectively says to consider the violation as happening first.
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Originally Posted by Old School
Just like in a jump ball. If you recover the ball from the jump you have possession. That possession is equivalent to me handing you the ball for the throw-in. What you do with it, is on you and we should not try to legislate the rules so that we help you get it inbounded successfully and reward you again with another AP from normal basketball play that carry's it's own punishment. That's too much big brother.
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But the arrows is set when a player legally catches the ball after the jump.
Again, the rule doesn't guarantee you get it inbounds to your team...just that the defense can only cause the AP to end by legally touching the ball (even catching it)....not by kicking it.