7.08 -
ANY runner is out when
(a) (5) the runner fails to keep contact with the base to which that runnner is entitled until the ball has been batted or reaches the batter.
The PU had his book in his duffle just outside the gate of the visitors dug out. I don't know why its location is important U of M but that is where it was.?
He only asked me if I knew of any rule that limits the numbers of players that this could apply to. I may have be mistaken to talk to him. Perhaps should have hung him out like so many bad fathers that say "
you want an answer...LOOK it up yourself." My mistake, it won't happen again. No UIC at the feilds. I can't answer as to why he asked me. I apologize to you all for not have know better. I didn't realize unitl now that that is somekind of violation or rule.
I tried to look up the call myself later that night because i figured oneday I might run into something like R1 on second and R2 on first both leaving early. And I can't find anything in the LL rule book that addresses when this happens. You all are replying very confidently that there is a rule that limits
7.08 (a)(5) from "
Any runner" to the "
first runner" that fails to keep contact with the base.
Please post.
So to answer U of M as best as I can. I don't see in rule 7.08 (a)(5) anywhere that says you can ring up three outs...or even two outs...but I don't see where it says anything about only one either. I do see where it says "Any" runner. Probably my bad reasearch. You clearly know right where I should be looking.
Please post.
Mountaineer..Sorry about the Junior/Major title error, I stand corrected...Around Here in southwest Michigan District 15, there is a division between the SB Minors and SB Majors. Its called SB Little Majors. Here is a link to one of the league teams web site that lists these divisions that play in District 15.
http://eteamz.active.com/mattawanll/teams/
Mountaineer..."
the first one to leave early causes a DB so the first one to leave is out - one out only" This is a helpful point of clarification. I've been going over section 5.0 that covers when a ball becomes dead or a DB and I wasn't able to find this. What section did you pull this from? I know its a DB if a runner leaves early, when two leave its still a dead ball. And what if it is not clear which runner left early, does the rule you are referencing direct which one is out? Lead runner or trailing? If I am called out by a DC that wants to know why since the runner on second and the runner on first both left early, why aren't they both out. I can't just say "because Mountaineer says so". Is it in the case book? Remember, I'm only looking in the LL rules. Not ASA or NFHS. I appreciate your genuine assistance in posting the rule or case.
Hey IRISH if your out there?...I always appreciate your direction as you present it...from the book. Not just because you say so. Your case and rule citation is invaluable.
If you tell a person they are wrong...they may likely repeat the behavior. If you teach them why what they did was wrong you have likely saved them future embarassement.
Finally...I was only trying to share something that I witnessed and thought was an odd situtaion. I usually enjoy reading all the posts on this forum. Be it a unique play or the 38th post about obstruction. I've learned a great deal from many of the members here. Its always very helpful when someone posts a rule by number that illustrates what the correct call should have been. That is rock solid help. Many often post what thier considered opinion is on the play and why they feel it was not the right call but sometimes a strongly presented opinion from a poster would mean more with the rule listed with it. Clearly it is easier for some to judge than educate. Are we not here to help each other learn and evolve. Or is this just an opportunity for some to impose their superiority on us "life long learners". Some of you will undoubtably forget more in your lifetime than I will every learn. I think I will continue to ask the questions and try to improve my game. If some here think I will learn faster by flaming me than flame on. I'm very forgiving.
