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Did I screw up by using the the abandonment? Yes!
Do I understand what abandonment is? Yes!
My original comment of "the umpire will certainly call the runner out" was correct and instead of answering the question as asked you took the situation where I used an incorrect term (which everyone knew was incorrect BUT still knew what I was talking about) and confused the whole situation by saying I was wrong in my assumption that the runner was out. (Again you might say that wasn't what you were saying.) But that is the problem when you leave the situation in a "half-answered" state.
The problem I have with some of the answers is that some people seem to take great thrills in providing half answers and then blasting people when they ask for further explanation.
Isn't is just common courtesy that if you know what the person is asking that you try to answer it as completely as you possibly can?
Everyone knows that the question asked was originally about the runner's basepath and where it starts and stops. JM provided a great answer, "One point that you seem to be mistaken on in regard to the runner's "legal baspath". The baserunner is allowed to attempt to advance or retreat on the basepaths, regardless of whether he is "legally entitled" to the base he is attempting to advance or retreat to. So, even if the runner has been "forced" from 2B, it is pefectly legal for him to attempt to retreat to 2B and this is not a violation of the proscription from "leaving his baseline to avoid a tag"." because it not only describes what the baseline is but why.
I thought this was a forum where umpires could ask questions, shoot the sh#t, complain about coaches and players and ultimately learn something.
One of the reason why I tend not to have problems with any of my games is perhaps I overlook it when people use the wrong terminology for a particular instance. When a coach comes out and asks why his batter couldn't "steal" first when the catcher dropped the third strike. I reply with, "Coach, the batter can attempt to run to first on a dropped third strike only when there are two outs or there is no runner at first at the time of the pitch." Why do I get the feeling that some umpires here would simply say, "Batter, can't steal first." knowing full well the coach meant trying to run to first.
Perhaps I'm wrong and maybe asking questions and learning aren't the main objectives of this forum.
I don't have any hard feelings towards anyone, but just wish that you would be straight forward in your answers without getting personal.
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