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Originally Posted by 3appleshigh
I don't completely disagree with you guys. In fact 99% of me completely agrees. That is why I posted. However, the problem in this league is hot heads and ejections and fights. The schools involved are notorious for having major issues, I was looking at this as a Game management issue Re Making sure no Fights or bad blood, which was very likely, but tempers cooled after this play. .
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I don't think calling a phantom interference and then lecturing one of the few kids that knows it wasn't interference is going to calm the natives.
I think a bad call and a lecture from the umpire would generally fuel the fire.
you may have gotten lucky this time.
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Originally Posted by 3appleshigh
The finishing the game aspect was more a before they brawlled, not a get out of a bad game thing. It was 6 runs into that inning, I had no problem with them continuing to play, but wasn't about to have a brawl on my hands. .
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How often does this team "brawl"? And what indication did you have that a brawl was about to break out if you didn't fabricate an out?
I most certainly understand your concerns, but I don't think lecturing players and coaches about sportsmanship while you're calling phantom outs is helping the situation.
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Originally Posted by 3appleshigh
In regards to the player, he was the best player on either team, had played for his provincial team for his age group, and to be honest should have known better. I agree I probably shouldn't have said anything, but the coaches (have no supervisor) and know nothing about the game, were doing nothing, and I had a progressivly angry team of 16-17 and 18yr olds on my hands.
This is a bit of a babysitting league. .
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IMO umpires are never babysitters.
I never fault kids for playing hard. Maybe this kids family isn't flush with cash and he's fighting for a baseball scholarship. Any chance he has to make his stats look better he's going to take it. Now you just made a big change in his SB/SB ATT %. A booted call is one thing, a made up call is totally different.
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Originally Posted by 3appleshigh
One of the main differences in Canada to the US is the Sheer amount of people involved in the games that have never played or have any real clue as to the game of baseball. So as umpires we have a slight Teaching aspect to our roles when doing those types of games. .
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Their still 16-18 yr old young men and deserve to be treated as such.
Does your association condone your self proclaimed job description of umpire/teacher?
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Originally Posted by 3appleshigh
However, My question also Asked for Suggestions to help me for next time. And sorry allowing a brawl to occur when there is some thing I could do to stop it is still not tops on my list.
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You said the losing teams kids were getting progressivly more angry. How do you know? What were the outward manifestations of this anger? Maybe you were just projecting this anger to them since you were getting progressively more angry yourself.
You can't stop someone from being angry, you can only hope to keep them from illegally acting on that anger and you shouldn't do that by appeasing them with bad calls in their favor. Pavlov might say this may encourage their anger.
If any players are acting in an unsportsmanlike manner you should deal with it appropriately, but there is nothing in the rules that prevent a player from being mad, angry, pi$$ed off or upset with the other team.