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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
No, they do not border on traveling.
Traveling occurs while HOLDING the ball.
You cannot travel while dribbling, either legally or illegally.
It's amazing that you can't get that through your head.
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I get it but my point is you can't go from point A to point B without dribbling the ball. If you want to call it illegal dribble, fine, if I want to call it traveling, fine, we both got violations, we're both right as far as the game is concerned. Some of us might be more right than others but then the issue becomes more esoteric and I think the bigger picture here is to just recognize the violation.