[greymule]

I lay in bed last night trying to figure out the theoretical difference between 9.1.1H and 9.1.1K. Is it the "at a previous base" phrase that is operative? Take an extreme example: R1 on 3B, R2 on 2B, R3 on 1B, 1 out. B5 hits a ball off the fence. R1 scores. R2 scores but missed 3B. R3 is out at home plate. In an appeal at 3B, the force on R2 is obviously not affected by R3's having been put out at home. The third out is a force play and no runs count.

But in 9.1.1H, R3 was put out at 3B--before he got to the base R2 was forced to. What difference does it make whether R3 was tagged between 1B and 2B, forced at 2B, tagged after rounding 2B, or tagged sliding in to 3B? Without "guidance" from the case book, I'd have said the appeal at 3B was NOT a force and allowed the run.

In 9.1.1H, if F5 had put his glove down on the front edge of the bag to catch R3, then R2 would have been out on the inadvertent appeal play we were talking about. Then the third out would have been a tag play on R3 at 3B, and R1's run WOULD COUNT!

In fact, I hope I get both plays in my next game. Top of the seventh, tie score: "Hey coach, no run. On the appeal, your guy was forced at 3B for the third out even though a following runner had been put out." Then in the bottom of the seventh, "No, coach, it's not the same play. Their run counts because your third baseman touched the bag for the second out before he tagged the runner. The out at third is a tag play. Run counts, you lose. Have a nice ride home."

P.S. Just read Carl's post. I still don't understand.