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Originally Posted by mcrowder
Are you making my point or yours?
Yes ... and so is an appeal for leaving early or missing a base. You calling those forces too? Hope not. The fact that it LOOKS like a force doesn't mean it IS a force.
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Rule 8 2, m4
"On any force out attempt from the foul side of first base
the defense and the batter-runner may use either the white or colored portion of the base."
That is the only referenece to a force out in the rule.
An appeal for missing the double base is covered in m, 3. According to interpretations you and others have been told at clinics a return to touch after a caught fly can be successful at either part of the bag. Niether situation is called a force.
I don't know why the term "force out" in m, 4 should cause any confusion, since it is useful in describing the scenario.
The rulesmakers chose the term "force out" for a reason. To parse that language and compare it to the meaing of "force out" in other parts of the book is to miss the forest for the trees.