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Originally posted by BktBallRef
First, let me make it clear that in the original thread that Self, aka AARef, is referring to, we cannot and did not assume player control. The entire question was based on Play #4 from my Traveling Quiz.
Play #4 - A1 is in position for a rebound. He taps the rebound into the air to prevent a defender from gaining possession. He taps the ball into the air 4 times and takes 5 steps while trying to keep the ball away from the opponent. Is this a violation? Why or why not?
In this play, PC has not been established. Now, if this player continues to bat the ball as he's running down the floor without ever having establishing PC, I have nothing.
In the play you describe, with PC having been established, I have traveling. In 4.15.4D, the play starts out, "While dribbling...". That's why it's an illegal dribble. In 4.15.4E, it's traveling because the ball has not been dribbled. The ruling even calls it traveling. In your play, I do not have any illegal dribble since the ball has never been dribbled.
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Tony,
I was wondering where that thread was that self was talking about.
Your Play #4 : Dennis Rodman made his living doing that and finally getting the ball. No problem here.
In my play, I designated the first tap, after control, as the start of the dribble; because after establishing control like that such an action, the bat, can only be a dribble or a pass. And since the player batted to himself, it was not a pass, hence it became an illegal dribble.
mick