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Originally posted by mick
Tony,
I think we were talking about:
"Player sprints down the court with hands at waist level and taps the ball back and forth from left hand to right never letting the ball come to rest. You could run circles around your opponents never letting the ball come to rest in either hand, as long as you tap it back and forth."
Assuming player control, and then that the player bats the ball while in control... and then bats the ball again before it hit the floor I determined that I could live with an illegal dribble violation based on the difference between 4.15.4D (Dribble violation) and 4.15.4E (Moving violation).
I know you will call a violation. Which would you choose?
mick
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First, let me make it clear that in the original thread that Self is referring to, we cannot and did not assume player control. The entire question was based on Play #4 from my Traveling Quiz.
Play #4 - A1 is in position for a rebound. He taps the rebound into the air to prevent a defender from gaining possession. He taps the ball into the air 4 times and takes 5 steps while trying to keep the ball away from the opponent. Is this a violation? Why or why not?
In this play, PC has not been established. Now, if this player continues to bat the ball as he's running down the floor without ever having establishing PC,
I have nothing.
In the play you describe, with PC having been established, I have traveling. In 4.15.4D, the play starts out, "While dribbling...". That's why it's an illegal dribble. In 4.15.4E, it's traveling because the ball has not been dribbled. The ruling even calls it traveling. In your play, I do not have any illegal dribble since the ball has never been dribbled.
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Originally posted by Oz Referee
So can I run the length of the court with the ball pinned between my elbows?
Since you need to use your hands to hold something - this must be allowed, but common sense demands that you call a travel.
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Even though you're using sarcasm, let me answer your question without using sarcasm. That's a stupid and immature response to the situation. It's not necessary to hold the ball with both hands to have control. But it's for d@mn sure that you do have to have control to travel. Having the ball pinned between the arm and the chect is certainly not the same as batting it. Of course, under FEEBLE rules, who know? It may be GT.
There's some sarcasm for you.
[Mention of AARef is removed}
[Edited by BktBallRef on Feb 24th, 2002 at 09:03 PM]