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Originally Posted by CraigD
Coach JM,
I believe the rationale is based on the statement Tim made earlier: no phantom outs. You call someone out because you saw something that made him out.
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I will start by saying that I agree with Tim's last statement toward me and do not wish to turn this into a measuring contest. My intent is only to engage in civil discussion.
I understand that we don't want to have "phantom out" calls, but as many here have stated, when the call is your responsibility; then you are charged with making a call. I for one have been on the field when bad baseball has taken place and due to last second acrobatics, my angle was lost and I got the best look that I could. I am not opposed to getting help before making the call, but I think if you use that a lot then it opens you up more than getting help when asked.
Let's say that I was in a great position to see the pulled foot, but it turned into a bad one for the swipe tag, or run downs those are always fun.
You make the best call that you can and you sell the hell out of it. Which ever way might be best to sell the call based on situation and such.
Tim, I can honsetly say that there have been a few times where I would have gotten help on an out call if the coach would have been smart enough to come out and ask me to get help, but as we know they are not always that smart.
My 1st year on Pro ball I had 27 ejections in the Penn League, then in spring before my second year they instructed MiLB umpires as a group that they wanted a kinder gentler umpire. In my 2nd year I had 4 ejections with time in the Sally, FSL, & Southern.
I got out and the NCAA said they wanted kinder gentler umpires too.
If a head coach comes out and asks me to get help and I feel that it was a situation that warranted it I would most certainly ask.
I would bring the entire crew together ask what ever question was appropriate and make a decission. Another thread asked about how do you change a call.
If I were the crew chief I would walk over to the dugout of the team that the change would go against and inform the head coach of the change and tell him that my partners gave me information that I didn't have and I CHANGED MY CALL. I would also not allow him to approach my partners and warn him if need be and eject him if I had too, but I would not allow him to go after my partners.
If I weren't the crew chief I would do everything the same, but I would walk over there with the crew chief.
By walking over to the head coach and informing him in this manner, I feel that you are much more likely to prevent an ejection. You will not always avoid it, but by explaining the situation versus reacting to his charging out on the field there will be less trouble when you change the call.
Tim, I would also not go get help if the coach came out in an unreasonable manner. Only if he was under control and asked in a calm manner.
Thoughts?