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Originally Posted by Theisey
Well, did you read the section in the NF book?
Here it is:
G: when dead-ball fouls occur after fourth down:
1: Signal any live ball fouls
2: Signal first down
3: Signal dead ball
4: Signal the dead ball foul.
If your have live ball fouls to deal with, why in the world are you then doing steps 2,3 and 4?
In case you haven't been dealing with NFHS publications, they do have errors in them. In this case, this sequence is wrong as written.
I have no problem if an official wants to do steps 3,4,2 or 2,3,4. Both are
perfectly correct in my opinion, though I favor steps 3,4,2 because the normal handling of penalties is to signal the foul, mark off the penalty and them signal either the next down (or LOD) or signal first down. That makes more sense to me.
Now, what's for lunch in the cafeteria?
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Play situation:
4 and 8th from A 48. A is illegally in motion when the ball is snapped way over the punters head. He falls on the ball at the A 20. After he falls on the ball, B99 jumps on the punter.
So according to the Official's Manual, the reporting sequence would look like:
1. Signal live ball foul
2. Decline penalty
3. Signal first down for team B
4. Dead ball
5. Personal Foul
Even though there is a live ball foul, you would still have to go through the dead ball reporting.
Now, as for the signalling order, for those of you who have posted here and other boards know I am a fairly by the book person. I would probably go by the book here. Now, can you give the LBF then the DBF followed by a first down, certainly.
Something else I'm learning is that we, as officials, have a lot of varience in mechanics, philosophies, and procedures. There are even differences between NCAA D1 conferences. Not really sure why that is, but for some reason various conferences, states, or associations choose to do it their own way. I guess they are in line at the cafe too.