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Old Sat Feb 16, 2002, 12:29am
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is offline
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Originally posted by rainmaker
The book says to call the swim move as soon as it starts, but who starts it? In Chuck's example, the defender has the arm in illegal guarding position, right? So does he/she start it? Or is everything fine until the Offensive post player sweeps his/her arm into the front?

The posting to which you are referring is Chuck's post in this thread:

"Picture the offensive man on the block. The defender is to his side, but is holding an arm up in front of the offensive player, trying to deny the pass into the block. The offensive player can't get a good passing lane, so he raises his arm and brings it back down over the defender's arm. This swimming motion removes the defender's ability to deny the pass."

Please explain to me how the defender's arm is in an illegal guarding position? The defender is allowed to hold his arm in a horizontal position as long is he does not cause illegal contact with it. I think that you are confusing the horizontal placement of the defender's arm with the principal of verticality. The play that Chuck describes above is legal. Now if the offensive player had decided to move toward his teammate (who has the ball), the defender must drop his arm as soon as the offensive player he is guarding starts to move against his arm. If the defender does not drop his arm then he is guilty of holding. But as Chuck described his play the offensive player is guilty of an illegal use of hands foul.

In the play that Chuck describes many times the offensive player raises his arm like a backstroker to move the defender's arm out of the way (this is a classic example of the swim stroke move).
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