Who is working the Duke / UNC game?

tomegun

Why are you so worried about "slapping" the rim when the guy grabbed the rim without having the ball to dunk it? That is why he got the T.

Nu1

Can someone tell me if the camera angle recently changed? The fact that we couldn't see the team benches during play at Duke seems to be new to me. It's possible that I'm clueless and it's been this way for a while / forever...but it justs seems odd that I couldn't see the team benches and scorer's table as I know I do in other games.

Raymond

Nu1 wrote
Can someone tell me if the camera angle recently changed? The fact that we couldn't see the team benches during play at Duke seems to be new to me. It's possible that I'm clueless and it's been this way for a while / forever...but it justs seems odd that I couldn't see the team benches and scorer's table as I know I do in other games.

Whenever the main camera is bench-side you can't see the benches very well. I do remember watching a game once where the main camera on the other side, but most of the time the main camera is in a postion where's its hard to see the benches.

fiasco

Nu1 wrote
Can someone tell me if the camera angle recently changed? The fact that we couldn't see the team benches during play at Duke seems to be new to me. It's possible that I'm clueless and it's been this way for a while / forever...but it justs seems odd that I couldn't see the team benches and scorer's table as I know I do in other games.

Duke has had their gym set up so the camera nests are on the same side as the bench/scorer's table for years now.

Nu1

Then it's just me. But would you say in many / most other gyms and games we see on TV it is the other way around? It just looked very odd to me. So I must be used to watching other games where the main camera is set up across from the benches. That is much more interesting to me, as it's possible to see more interaction between officials and benches.

JRutledge

Nu1 wrote
Then it's just me. But would you say in many / most other gyms and games we see on TV it is the other way around? It just looked very odd to me. So I must be used to watching other games where the main camera is set up across from the benches. That is much more interesting to me, as it's possible to see more interaction between officials and benches.

Duke has been like that for years. Kansas is another arena that also shows the court from table side. Not sure why this matters to you, but I am sure there are other gyms. Duke is always on TV and I am kind of shocked you just noticed this. I will also assume that this is the case because both arenas are much older than the TV era.

Peace

Nu1

I'm shocked I haven't noticed it before as well. But it doesn't matter to me (I'm not losing sleep over it). I was just curious if it was new. And as I've said, I like the other view better as far as watching interactions with the bench. At least I was smart enough to know where to find the answer to my question. 🙂

rockyroad

Nu1 wrote
Then it's just me. But would you say in many / most other gyms and games we see on TV it is the other way around? It just looked very odd to me. So I must be used to watching other games where the main camera is set up across from the benches. That is much more interesting to me, as it's possible to see more interaction between officials and benches.

To be perfectly honest, I DO NOT want to see the interactions between the coaches and the officials in most of these "big" games...the majority of the time the bench decorum guidelines are not followed and the game - at least in my opinion - becomes ridiculous because the coaches are allowed to rant and rave like lunatics...not really something I want to see. So at least when the cameras don't show the coaches I can enjoy watching the game...

IREFU2

Time for the NFL camera over top of the court on a string!

whistleone

tomegun wrote
Why are you so worried about "slapping" the rim when the guy grabbed the rim without having the ball to dunk it? That is why he got the T.

He was attempting to rebound the ball and dunk it in the same motion. A Duke player went up at the same time and knocked the ball away. The NC player did not hang on the rim, nor did he slap the rim in an attempt to show off or taunt. Why in the world is the Lead calling this anyway? Where are the Trail and Center on this call? IMO, that game was way more physical than the amount of fouls called.

JRutledge

whistleone wrote
He was attempting to rebound the ball and dunk it in the same motion. A Duke player went up at the same time and knocked the ball away. The NC player did not hang on the rim, nor did he slap the rim in an attempt to show off or taunt. Why in the world is the Lead calling this anyway? Where are the Trail and Center on this call? IMO, that game was way more physical than the amount of fouls called.

Just so you know the rule has little to do with showing off. The rule does not allow for a player to grab the rim unnecessarily. And the lead official has the best angle to know if someone is under the player the basket and if the player might feel threatened. Usually we give the player the benefit of the doubt, but the rule is clear. The only time a player can grab onto the rim under NCAA rules is when they are fouled.

Peace

btaylor64

I can't believe no one recognized that the third official was Gary Maxwell, the alternate for the NCAA Championship game last year. Which will probably put him in on the Championship game next year.

JRutledge

btaylor64 wrote
I can't believe no one recognized that the third official was Gary Maxwell, the alternate for the NCAA Championship game last year. Which will probably put him in on the Championship game next year.

Not everyone knows these officials by names unless they are in your market.

Also being an alternate does not mean you will work Championship the final game. All it means is they were asked to be the alternate if something happens. Also being an alternate from my understanding usually means you did not work any of the other Final Four games. For all we know he might not get close to that this year based on a bunch of factors that any of us know about.

Peace

Raymond

btaylor64 wrote
I can't believe no one recognized that the third official was Gary Maxwell, the alternate for the NCAA Championship game last year. Which will probably put him in on the Championship game next year.

I know the name, not the face.

tomegun

Using Btaylor's theory, it would seem difficult for the same official to have the championship game two years in a row wouldn't it? I think that is some faulty logic. Additionally, it is my understanding that the alternate is the alternate for all three games during the final four. If that is the case, that official would be knocking on the door to the final four, not the championship game.

BktBallRef

whistleone wrote
He was attempting to rebound the ball and dunk it in the same motion. A Duke player went up at the same time and knocked the ball away. The NC player did not hang on the rim, nor did he slap the rim in an attempt to show off or taunt. Why in the world is the Lead calling this anyway? Where are the Trail and Center on this call? IMO, that game was way more physical than the amount of fouls called.

Exactly. He didn't slap anything.

btaylor64 wrote
I can't believe no one recognized that the third official was Gary Maxwell, the alternate for the NCAA Championship game last year. Which will probably put him in on the Championship game next year.

I knew it was Gary, just typed the wrong name when I posted. Without getting a closeup look, Brian Kersey and Gary Maxweel have a similiar build and look. I was thinking of one and not the other when I typed.

fiasco

BktBallRef wrote
Exactly. He didn't slap anything.

Watch the tape. He slapped the rim. I replayed it at least 10 times on my TiVo.

Whether that had anything to do with the T is not really an issue to me anymore, but you're blind if you watch the tape and say he didn't slap the rim after he grabbed onto it.

BktBallRef

Scrapper1 wrote
It's contrary to the high school interpretation, but I think we've talked about this difference before. Not sure if I can find an old thread, but here's the NCAA AR:

A.R. 91 B1 slips to the floor in the free-throw lane. A1 (whith his/her back to B1, who is prone) receives a pass, turns and, in his or her attempt to drive to the basket, trips and falls over B1. RULING: Foul on B1, who has taken an illegal defensive position.

Correct call.

Thanks. I didn't recall a discussion about an NCAA difference.

JRutledge

fiasco wrote
Watch the tape. He slapped the rim. I replayed it at least 10 times on my TiVo.

Whether that had anything to do with the T is not really an issue to me anymore, but you're blind if you watch the tape and say he didn't slap the rim after he grabbed onto it.

Could you show me anywhere in the rules where it say "slapping the rim" is a violation of any kind?

Peace

fiasco

JRutledge wrote
Could you show me anywhere in the rules where it say "slapping the rim" is a violation of any kind?

Peace

If you'll review the thread, I never made this argument. I never said it was a violation (actually, I believe I asked for clarification on the rule, and you did a masterful job clarifying). So I don't feel particularly inclined to answer your question (as I'm confident it's not in the rules, anyway).

I'm merely pointing out the fact that while BktBallRef claims that the UNC player didn't slap the rim - regardless of what that has to do with any sort of violation - he DID in fact slap the rim on his way down.

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